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Date: Wed, December 5, 2007 12:05 am Dear Jim, I understand that you have been communicating with my nephew concerning that debacle named Savo and I confirm that I am the Eric Geddes responsible for that signal which according to Samuel Morrison and Richard Newcombe was never transmitted and I still wonder about that "tea and apple pie"scenario we were still repelling the Jap invasion of Milne Bay. To give some indication of the food situation there at the time we,as a crew were flying up to 8 hour patrols with in flight rations of 1x850 gm tin of preserved pears to be shared and 1 packet each of 4 dog biscuits. On reflection I guess that under the circumstances all that luxury could equate to tea and apple pie. Aside from that little bit of trivia what is there in your research that you believe I may be able to clarify or add to? My conclusion has been that all that remains to lay the whole debate to rest was to convince an authority in America with sufficient moral integrity to ensure that the truth of the whole sorry episode is officially processed into your history books so every student in America studying the subject will know the truth. I am about to embark on that very project at a high level of government in your country however I have enough political awareness to know that the "too hard tray" is a haven to evade any action or the question is finally passed on to a junior clerk to take care of, unfortunately this is a political process in all countries. If anything eventuates in the New Year to justify a celebration I will give you all the detail to include in your research. Please feel free to ask questions if I am able to deliver sensible answers then I will certainly do so. Kindest Regards Eric Geddes ================== Hi Eric, Glad to hear from you. I had once quoted the Morison statement about "tea" and was called to account by Mackenzie Gregory, office of the deck when HMAS Canberra was hit. He writes on a lot of naval topics and has been to Washington, DC, representing Canberra. He will help get attention to the issue. Whereas I am a simple webmaster who publishes the facts and hope people find them. I have forwarded your email to Mac. http://www.ww2pacific.com/savoupdt.html -- my page about this. http://www.ww2pacific.com/mac011119.html -- Mac meeting with President Bush http://www.ww2pacific.com/stories.html#wireless -- notes from Graham and you. All best and a salute to you and your service, Jim
Date: Wed, May 19, 2010 4:57 am Hi Jim, Considerable time has passed since I last communicated with you and now time is not something I can treat lightly, 68 years have passed since the debacle called Savo. 61 years since Morison lied to the American public presumably to clear the American Navy of any culpability in such a devastating defeat and place the blame on four foreign airmen [Australian] who had in fact performed their duty correctly and with distinction a " Letter of Commendation" from Major General Kenny is part of the documented evidence supporting the action of the RAAF aircrew. For many years I have attempted to have this matter resolved in the diplomatic arena in America but Presidents who say "The Buck Stops With Them'"don't really mean that,President Bush and President Obama have probably considered this too menial or have very diligent bureaucrats who have shuffled my submissions into the "Do Not Follow Up Tray" Three of my crew are now deceased, they have died without th benefit of justice and at 92 I feel that time is now at a premium for me . I have a question for any politicians in America or any American citizen who may read this."What action would you take if you were accused by faked evidence to be responsible for the death of 1023 combined American and Australian sailors and the wounding of 763 more without the right to present a case in defence. Do you think JUSTICE has been served in this case?" If you would like a copy in detail of the truth about Savo please feel free to email me and I will forward the documentation to you; my file would take up too much space in an email. Best wishes to you Jim Eric Geddes ================== Dear Eric, It is good to hear from you again. As one of the few American sources of information about the true actions of the Australian Wireless Message warning of the approaching Japanese towards Savo Island, I would like to have your documentation to share with readers interested in finding the truth behind the myth started by Morison. Morison is no friend of mine, his repeated attacks upon Adm Fletcher, the most successful admiral of the century who sank six enemy aircraft carriers in sea combat, and is given no credit by Morison. Morison worked for the Navy which was pleased to have the Navy story told -- because the public had been told by the press that the Air Force had won the war -- so that the Navy tolerated occasional errors that sacrificed some individuals such as you, your crew mates, and Fletcher. I will extract the most interesting parts of your documentation to create a web page and offer to provide your documentation to those interested in greater detail. (I am only 72.) I can promise no direct contact with or influence with "politicians". But I can promise to try with the Internet to correct his slur upon an Australia flight crew. ================ 14May2010 Hi Eric, You packet of documentation arrived today. I anticipate putting the whole thing on the internet. It will take a few days to get it scanned, converted to web pages, and uploaded. I will tell you as soon as it is available for your approval and correction. For those who find the web page, this will present the the truth that has fallen into an incorrect mythology Thanks and you will be hearing from me shortly. All best, Jim
Owing to a series of blunder on our side, the Slot was not properly covered by air search on 8 August, and the one sighting of Mikawa's force that day, by an Australian Hudson pilot at 1026, was so mishandled by him, as well as by the authorities who passed it along, that Admiral Turner did not receive it until over eight ours had passed. This contact report, moreover was misleading, in that the pilot mistook two Japanese cruiser for seaplane tenders. On that basis Turner made the bad guess that the Japanese were not coming through that night, but intended to set up a seaplane base at Santa Isabel Island, some 10 miles from Savo, and attack later.---------------
E. Geddes
Bardwell Park 2207
N.S.W., Australia.
8th April 2009.
The President of the United States of America
The White House,
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W
Washington D.C. 20500
U.S.A.
Dear Sir,
It is very difficult for me to compose this communication in a form which in
the first place will preclude it being consigned to the waste paper basket as useless
material from some "Nutter Down Under" and secondly to create enough interest for
those who first determine the direction in which my letter should proceed to direct it
to a position on your desk where you, in spite of the burden of your national and
international commitments, will find it in your heart to personally peruse the attached
material and advise me of your conclusions.
Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Eric Geddes aged 90 a
retired member of the Royal Australian Air Force and a Veteran of World War II who
at one stage was based with and flew missions in B24 Liberators with the USAAF
531st Squadron of the 380th Bomb Group in New Guinea during April of 1944 where I
flew as a member of an RAAF crew attached to the 531st.
Prior to that in 1942, I had completed an operational tour, also in New Guinea,
flying Hudsons and was a participant in the successful denial to the Japanese, of
Milne Bay as a base for their aircraft to counter the successes which American forces
were having in that theatre, with special regard to the struggle for Guadalcanal which
had just commenced in August of 1942. This theatre, and the events which followed,
on the 8th and 9th of that month created headline banners in the world press.
The year 1942, was very significant for our combined forces. It was a critical
year for both our countries. We had our gains and we had our losses, but in all
partnerships there are areas of grey where loyalties may be questioned. I refer here to
the field of Historical Journalism where I believe responsible journalism should be
based on credible sources and strict verification of facts. The real issue is not one of
the right to free expression, but whether any government should tolerate malicious
journalism and do nothing about it.
May I direct your thoughts to a part of American Naval History dated 8th and
9th August 1942 when a Japanese Naval Squadron caused your country to suffer it's
worst blue water defeat in it's history with the loss in the battle of Savo of 3 American
cruisers and 1 Royal Australian Navy Cruiser, HMAS Canberra, on which 10 officers
and 74 ratings were killed, also 10 officers, 96 ratings and 3 civilians wounded.
Of the American ships the following applied.
Ship | Killed | Wounded |
USS VINCENNES | 332 | 258 |
USS QUINCY | 370 | 167 |
USS ASTORIA | 216 | 186 |
USS CHICAGO | 2 | 21 |
USS RALPH TALBOT | 8 | 11 |
USS PATTERSON | 332 | 11 |
at 0826 on 8th August 1942 : Sighted an enemy plane Lockheed
{Hudson} which had shadowed us, at some 3000 [meters] in the
bearing of 240°, and missed in the bearing of 310° after
about 10 minutes.
at 0903: Recognized the plane which had kept shadowing us, and
drove it off by main battery firings. The plane found our fleet
Intercepted its report as follows"0927 three cruisers, three destroyers, two seaplane tenders
or gunboats, 0549 S, 156 07E, course 120 at 15 knots.
Japanese action reports were recorded at Tokyo Time. In the Library,
besides the Chokai's reports, only heavy cruiser, Kako's reports
have been kept, among those cruisers and destroyers that joined the
Savo Island Battle. The cruiser Chokai was east of Bougainville
when she drove the Hudson off by firing around 0920 (Tokyo time).
I can't pick up a record of a cruiser, west of Bougainville, firing at
Hudson at 0945 local time.
Jim,
Thank you for your gracious response.
This is going to be a long E-Mail to you and I apologize in advance.
Here goes: Morison was published in 1951, Gill in his Vol 2 of the official history of the RAN in WW2. was probably the first to refute the story of the Hudson's role in sighting Mikawa's fleet.
Two later books published in Australia take up the Savo story.At the time of Savo, Bruce Loxton was the Captain's Midshipman on Canberra's bridge, he was severely wounded and, I did not think he could survive, but he did, to complete a distinguished Naval career, and retire as a Commodore. His service included a spell as Naval Attaché in Washington D.C. and Director of Naval Intelligence in Australia.
- Warner, Denis and Peggy. "Disaster in the Pacific. New Light on the Battle of Savo Island". Allen & Unwin. Sydney 1992. [Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, 1992.]
- Loxton, B. with Coulthard-Clark, C. "The Shame of Savo. Anatomy of a Naval Disaster". Allen & Unwin. St.Leonards. NSW. 1994.. [Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, 1994.]
Bruce lives in Sydney, and I live in Melbourne, the two cities about 500 miles apart. As most of the RAN's records about Savo were housed in archives in Melbourne, I did a good deal of research for Bruce here in Melbourne.
As we wanted to learn about the Hudson's story first hand, and both the Hudson's pilot and navigator lived in Melbourne, Bruce flew to Melbourne, and we both interviewed former Sergeant Bill Stutt, the pilot, and Wilbur Courtis, the navigator over lunch. We discussed the aircraft's sighting of Mikawa, how they broke wireless silence to make an enemy report, and tried to raise their base at Fall River over a period of time but without success. Post war, it was discovered in RAAF records, in the signal log of ACH Townsville, that from 1032 to 1100, Fall River radio had closed because of an air raid alert.
10. Exoneretioned. Finally, 27 October 2014.
OriginalEric Geddes: Sole survivor of WWII RAAF aircrew wins fight to erase historic slur over Savo Island bloodbath - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
By Adam Harvey
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Photo: Eric Geddes (far right) and his crew were blamed by a US historian for failing to promptly report an enemy sighting.An Australian World War II veteran's long campaign to clear a slur against his air crew is finally over, after United States Navy historians sent him a letter clearing him of not alerting the Americans that Japanese ships were heading towards Solomon Islands.
Last year, 7.30 told the story of Eric Geddes, who served as radio operator and gunner on an RAAF Lockheed Hudson based in Milne Bay, New Guinea during WWII.
On August 8, 1942 his crew spotted and reported a Japanese attack fleet heading towards the US Marines force that had just landed at Guadalcanal.That night, the Japanese went on to rout Allied ships off Guadalcanal, sinking four cruisers, including the HMAS Canberra, killing more than 1,000 sailors.
The battle of Savo Island, as it became known, was the Allies' worst naval defeat of the war.
influential US historian, writing after the war, falsely accused Mr Geddes and his crew of failing to promptly report their sighting.
In his 15-volume account of the US Navy's World War II actions, Rear Admiral Samuel Morison wrote: "The pilot of this plane, instead of breaking silence to report, as he had orders to do in an urgent case, or returning to base which he could have done in two hours, spent most of the afternoon completing his search mission, came down at Milne Bay, had his tea, and then reported the contact."
The implication was that the Australian crew's tardiness contributed to the effectiveness of the surprise Japanese attack.Crew actually sent message while under attack
Rear Admiral Morison's account was baseless: Mr Geddes had immediately transmitted the sighting of the Japanese flight.
He sent the message "in clear" while the Japanese turned their attentions onto the Hudson crew.
"They sent up two fighters to take care of us," Mr Geddes recalled.
"We thought we can't stand and fiddle around with these people. We've got to deliver this intelligence.
"I got on the radio and tried to contact Milne Bay."
The proof was not just that Mr Geddes' message was picked up by Australian radio operators.
It was heard by the Japanese themselves, who recorded the intercept in their own military archives.Crew wrongly blamed for more than 1,000 deaths
Rear Admiral Morison's account was published in 1949 and was immediately picked up by newspapers around the world, including in Australia.Eric Geddes
"If I printed in tomorrow's newspaper that you were responsible for the deaths of 1,023 sailors, how would you feel?" Mr Geddes asked.
"We were angry and couldn't believe that this could be. We just couldn't believe it."
Australian historians later discounted Rear Admiral Morison's claims, but the false version stands uncorrected in the US.
was the American people who were fooled," said Mr Geddes, who is now in his 90s and has been fighting for 65 years for the record to be corrected.
"Now, why would I settle on something here in Australia when the victim was in America, and the American public, they're not aware of what the truth was."Canberra-based historian Dr Chris Clark, who worked with Commodore Bruce Loxton to write a book about the naval disaster, said Rear Admiral Morison's account was unsourced and wrong.
"I don't know where Morison got his information from," Dr Clark said.
"It's a pretty hard falsehood to tell against the RAAF pilots, or the RAAF crew, and to put it in print, in a form that really lasts a long time, and it's very hard to retract once it's in print."br Mr Geddes even wrote to US president Barack Obama in an attempt to clear the name of the Hudson crew.
7.30's original story set in train a series of events that have now led to Mr Geddes receiving a letter from US Navy historians, thanking him for his war service and criticising the account of Rear Admiral Morison.Former RAAF chief took up cause
The letter is thanks to the efforts of his former RAAF colleague, Air Marshal David Evans.
Air Marshal Evans flew with Mr Geddes in the 1960s and rose to become the RAAF's chief of the air staff.But the first he knew of the Hudson scandal was when he watched 7.30's report.
"I was astounded, I rang him up straight away: 'why didn't you get in touch with me before?'"
"He said, 'you don't like to burden'.
"I said, 'you damn fool'."
The former chief of the RAAF began his own campaign.
Thanks to his connections, there has been action within the US Navy.US letter vindicates wronged crew; Eric Geddes is lone survivor
Mr Geddes received a letter from the Naval History and Heritage Command, within the US Department of the Navy.I wanted to be able to assure him that there's a lot of history out there that provides a very different take and interpretation of events regarding the Hudson and sightings.
-- Greg Martin, assistant director of the US Naval History and Heritage Command
It contains these vital lines: "A new generation of naval historians is questioning previous works, such as that of Rear Admiral Samuel Eliot Morison, often written too close to the end of a recently completed campaign ... RADM Morison's criticism, in particular, was unwarranted."
The letter is from Greg Martin, the assistant director of the US Naval History and Heritage Command, in Washington.
"I wanted to be able to assure him that there's a lot of history out there that provides a very different take and interpretation of events regarding the Hudson and sightings," Mr Martin told 7.30.
Mr Geddes said he was satisfied with the carefully-worded letter, which proves he was right all along, and stands as a validation of his crew-mates.
The last survivor of the Hudson crew has just one regret.
"Unfortunately, the wrong thing happened to Morison. He died. I would like to be talking to him," he said.